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Content - 06/27/2008
Excellent solution! Thank you.

I have two requests. The first is that WebRing define criteria (general, mature) a little more clearly and make the rating chosen available to potential members of the ring (i.e. put the rating on the hub page or some other plainly visible page). The second is that the ringmaster of this ring should email the membership with her/his decision. Thanks!




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Pat wrote (edited):
The first is that WebRing define criteria (general, mature) a little more clearly and make the rating chosen available to potential members of the ring (i.e. put the rating on the hub page or some other plainly visible page).
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Let me strongly second both those ideas.

The ratings should be clearly defined. A "hierarchical" rating system might not do the trick. It may need to be multi-classified. But however it is done it should move from the "very foggy" where it is now to be more clear.

And second, as Pat advocates, it should be more clearly visible.


James S. Huggins
http://www.JSH.us/contact-me


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Replied - 06/27/2008
James we can always count on you to say a lot without actually saying much. If you can write a clear definition of what is general, mature, and adult across all societies, age groups ethnic groups and religions then JUMP RIGHT IN. Otherwise, hold off please. THIS discussion will not to wander down the road so often trod where people pontificate and blow hard but accomplish little, so unless it is clear, well crafted and will pass all legal hurdles simply do not write. It will be removed. Why exactly should anything be more clear than expecting the mamager and members of a community to write their own expectations? Why does it need to be written in stone what is acceptable or not? can't the community simply say this is ok and this is not? The system allows for people to move on and create their own communities, or group with another already in place.




Replied - 06/27/2008
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If you can write a clear definition of what is general, mature, and adult across all societies, age groups ethnic groups and religions then JUMP RIGHT IN.
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We approach it differently, you and I. I'm not looking for cross-cultural acceptance of general words. Rather, I'm looking for non-cultural definitions.

If the words "general", "mature", and "adult" are in your way, you can consider calling them Type 1, Type 2 and Type 3. In that way, the linquistics will not interfere with your multi-cultural use.

I believe that without some reference point, without some definition, then the words have no meaning.

I agree with your note that it must pass legal hurdles. But that does not mean there must not be clarity.

You ask "Why exactly should anything be more clear than expecting the mamager and members of a community to write their own expectations?"

The reason is that your system provides a classification scheme precisely to allow such general groupings. Given that you do, I believe that the scheme should be clear.

You ask "Why does it need to be written in stone what is acceptable or not?". It doesn't. I never advocated that it should. But I do believe that a classificaton scheme, if you choose to have one, should be clear, cogent, consistent and comprehensive.

Please understand that I am not attempting to be oppositional. I am attempting to support and encourage improvement.

James S. Huggins
http://www.JSH.us/contact-me




Replied - 06/28/2008
I don't really like using the terms "mature" and "adult" and I suppose now is the time to say so. In my personal opinion, mature people don't do the stuff normally called "mature" and "adult". So what I suggest is that we have a classification system as follows: General, or erotic content permitted. Also, there might be a classification that says that violence will be included or excluded. I personally also exclude sites with defamation in them. So maybe some checkboxes: an exclusive one for "general", other classifications would have checkboxes, this type of content permitted. One thing to keep in mind about porn sites. My host permits every type of content except porn. Why? Because it loads down the servers; it swamps them. WebRing also has limited resources, so it might want to consider discouraging this type of webring for practical reasons.

You might want to take a look at ICRA. Their classifications are much more complex than needed, but it will give you an idea. I hope this helps.



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