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An Alternative for Lazarst - 01/31/2007
Since the system management has indicated they do not wish to help you donate to the system in the way you had requested, I thought I'd offer you an alternative.

1. Have a regular email account somewhere.

2. Use an email manager that is more flexible, function and user friendly than the one the system provides.

3. Direct all your system emails there.

This approach will allow them to spend their time and effort sending you the 200 emails per day as they wish to.

And, it will allow you to select and delete such messages in one swell foop.

In fact, some systems, e.g., Outlook, will even permit you to set messages to be processed as they arrive, either deleting such messages or moving them to a special folder for review, AS THEY ARRIVE, eliminating the work load for you.

This solution should help you and also satisfy the system.

They get to send the emails.

You get to reduce your workload.

For me, it isn't the "best" approach, but management has removed the "best" approach from discussion, so, I just want to offer this alternative as a way to help both management and you to meet your respective objectives.

Feel free, as always, to contact me offlist if you'd like any assistance in setting up such an approach.


James S. Huggins

to contact me: http://JSH.us/webring-email



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Replied - 01/31/2007
James writes:
In fact, some systems, e.g., Outlook, will even permit you to set messages to be processed as they arrive, either deleting such messages or moving them to a special folder for review, AS THEY ARRIVE, eliminating the work load for you.

This solution should help you and also satisfy the system.

They get to send the emails.

You get to reduce your workload.


Actually that will not satisfy us in the longer term. If lazarst is temporarily unfunded and plans to deal with the central issue soon then he can do as he wishes with his emails. But if he makes it a habit to "not-manage" then he will begin having rings handed over to people that will manage.

the problem here is that you simply are not getting the point. Either manage propeerly or stop managing. Ignoring some things because they are a bother is a sign to us that you are not serious about managing. So is arguing about something as clearly useful as advisory emails. What get's ignored next? Pending submissions? 1-way sites? Sites with poor content?

If you both put half as much energy into properly managing your rings as you do about nitpicking this would be a nonexistent issue.




Replied - 01/31/2007
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If you both put half as much energy into properly managing your rings as you do about nitpicking this would be a nonexistent issue.
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I could not agree more. For people that run / ran, managed,
or mismanaged as many rings as they do, either get onboard,
or bail out and develope your own ring system. To sit around
and chew old soup is annoying. Sorry if this is an insult, but
like others, I come here looking for new ideas, new concepts,
a better way to produce results. NOT listen to whiny baby's
whose world has changed.
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Carry on.




Replied - 01/31/2007
For people that run / ran, managed, or mismanaged as many rings as they do, either get onboard, or bail out and develope your own ring system. To sit around and chew old soup is annoying. Sorry if this is an insult, but like others, I come here looking for new ideas, new concepts, a better way to produce results. NOT listen to whiny baby's whose world has changed.
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No insult taken here. I believe the forum is effective when everyone is allowed to speak, and even disagree.

I offer the solutions I do, because I see them as improving the system. Like you, I seek a better way. Now that the system management has closed the door on the better way I offered, I won't propose that better way any more.

If my tone seems "whiny", I apologize. I've tried to be constructive, rational and to use appropriate tone, but again, if I have failed in that, I apologize.

By the way, did you get your technical questions answered?


James S. Huggins

to contact me: http://JSH.us/webring-email




Replied - 01/31/2007
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If lazarst is temporarily unfunded and plans to deal with the central issue soon then he can do as he wishes with his emails.
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I appreciate that. I can see someone being unfunded as much as 50-70% of the time. But as money comes, he/she contributes and receives the benefits of that contribution.

My suggestions were consistently designed to address that flip/flop issue.

To the extent that the underfunding is no longer underfunding but is a "non-funding", not funding with no intent to ever fund again, then I can see your point that it would be easier to remove the request.

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the problem here is that you simply are not getting the point.
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Yes. You are correct. I don't "get the point" or see the rationale in the argument. For me, just me personally you understand, having insufficient funds has no relationship to "properly managing".

I can see your points (though I may disagree about both your metrics and your solutions) ... and I can respect your points as it relates to pending submissions, one-way-sites, inappropriate sites, sites violating the law (e.g., privacy, child porn, copyright, trademark), and sites with "poor content".

For me, being underfunded does not rise to that level of issue.

But, as you have posted a general refusal to the suggestion, I'll treat it as moot.

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So is arguing about something as clearly useful as advisory emails.
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Again, I was not discussing advisory emails in general. I was only suggesting an improvement as it related to notices of underfunding. I think many of your advisory emails are well intentioned and generally useful. I even appreciate your adoption of some of my suggestions for them. Thanks for all of that.

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If you both put half as much energy into properly managing your rings as you do about nitpicking this would be a nonexistent issue.
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To that ad hominem, I will politely disagree.


James S. Huggins

to contact me: http://JSH.us/webring-email



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Replied - 01/31/2007
By the way, did you get your technical questions answered?
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I have no more questions right now. In fact, just today, I completed the process of cleaning up the ring I managed. As I previously posted, there were over 30 sites on my ring that either did not have the navigation code on their site or had code but it did not work correctly for various reasons. These sites were all flagged as "FAIL". I suspended all of these sites on 1/15 and sent emails explaining the situation. I heard back from only 2 site owners about their situation. Today (1/31) I deleted 32 sites that were still failing. After almost 3 years as a ring manager, from some of the information I got on this forum, I now have more insight into the whole webring concept and a much better handle on my role as a ring manager.



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